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Unearthed audio has Senator telling abortion owner not to perjure herself regarding accusations of fetal harvesting

Posted in Aborted Babies, Aborted Baby Trash, Abortion Clinics, Abortionist, Abortionist dumps fetuses, Center for Medical Progress with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on November 2, 2015 by saynsumthn

A leaked tape recorded by the Center for Medical Progress shows a Michigan abortion owner admitting that she once talked to “researchers” during her quest to find ways to dispose of the bodies of the babies her clinic aborted. Renee Chelian who operates the abortion clinic chain, Northland Family Planning Center, which performs abortions up to 24 weeks has previously denied under oath that her facility is involved in the harvesting of aborted babies.

Renee Chelian (Image link here)

In a secretly recorded speech given by Chelian before a Michigan National Abortion Federation member session Chelian jokes about how difficult it has been to expose of fetal tissue, laughingly suggesting to her audience that the disposal problem belongs to the women who pay her to abort their babies. (note, Chelian’s conversation begins at the end of one video and the beginning of another video.)

(Video 1 begin ) “We were really tempted to give the fetus back,” Chelian is heard saying in the audio.

(Video 2 begin at very beginning) “We can do that. Um, we thought, we’ll give it to everybody in a gift bag – they can take it home, figure out what to do with it. It’s their pregnancy and why is this our problem?”

Below is video of what the abortion owner told the NAF audience next:

At approximately 3:49 into the video above you can hear Chelian say, I talked to the researchers and they said we want your tissue, we don’t want all of your tissue.”

She later states (9:27 ) , “What ever you’re doing now there’s not a research company that will take all of our fetal tissue because they don’t want it all. And…you know this is an issue we are going to have to grapple with.”

Additional comments in the video are transcribed here:

(Begin 2:05)

    “So in coalition, we started working with hospitals who didn’t want to be seen with us. We met them in like Denny’s restaurant, there’s not even many of those left…We talked about you know what are you guys going to do. They were terrified of a public relations nightmare. That hospital actually had big freezers with breasts and kneecaps and gallbladders and abortions or miscarriages. Um and they put all their jars together, at some point. and they go to Stericycle unless the hospital happens to have their incinerator which is rarer and rarer. The guy from Stericycle was quick to point that out to me.

    “Um…Nobody wants to talk about dead bodies. Um, and nobody but me. I’m just saying. There was a point when Stericycle fired us that I had 5 months worth of fetal tissue in my freezers. We were renting freezers to put them in. It was all I thought about, was fetal tissue. Like, I was so consumed with fetal tissue, I was ready to drive to upper Michigan and have a bonfire. And I was just trying to figure out, you know, how I wouldn’t get stopped. Or, you know, how far into the woods would I have to go to have this fire that nobody was going to see me…I mean it was the worst, I dreamed about how to dispose of fetal tissue. And the garbage disposal was an option…”

    “There was a point where I actually hired someone from another clinic to come in and take 20 bottles and put it my garbage disposal. And I had to fess up to my staff that I did the thing I’ve been criticizing what all these other clinics are doing but I didn’t know what else to do. I was so desperate, that the antis found a way to close us.”

Renee Chelian Thumb

However, in recorded testimony provided by pro-life activist Lynn Mills, Chelian once called a Michigan Senator a liar after he insinuated her clinic might be involved in fetal tissue harvesting. Chelian appeared before the State Senate Committee in 2012 to oppose any abortion restrictions in the state. Michigan Senator Rick Jones then grilled the clinic owner over whether there was a lab that would harvest fetal parts at her abortion clinic. He said he was contacted by a witness who told him the abortion clinic had attempted to convince her to give an “anatomical donation.”

Have you ever suggested to patients or anybody in your office, your clinics suggest to patients that they could have a late-term abortion and then make an anatomical donation of part of the aborted baby?” Senator Jones asked Chelian.

Chelian then pauses before she finally responds by saying, “No.”

Senator Jones then reminds Chelian she could perjure herself if she is not being truthful, stating, I’d ask you not to perjure yourself. There are witnesses.”

Chelian continues to deny the charges brought up by Senator Jones several more times.

At the time of her testimony, MLive.com reported the exchange this way:

    Jones and Renee Chelian of Northland Family Planning Centers in southeast Michigan got into a testy exchange. Jones asked if the clinic had ever suggested to patients that they could have a “late-term abortion” and then make an “anatomical donation.” Jones asked if the clinic allowed a lab to “harvest parts.” Chelian said “no” in both cases and called Jones a “liar.”

Let’s recap – Chilean says this in CMP’s undercover sting:

    I talked to the researchers and they said we want your tissue, we don’t want all of your tissue.”

And denied being involved in fetal research before the Senate panel in 2012.

This would not be the first time an abortion worker has denied that they took part in fetal harvesting in the past,” says Mills.

However, while Chelian has admitted that her clinics have problems disposing of all the “fetal tissue” i.e. remains of human preborn children, and that she has talked to researchers, she has denied that her abortion chain has had any involvement in fetal tissue harvesting. While we have no way to know whether all or some of Chilean’s admissions are true or not, we do know that these undercover videos recorded by the Center for Medical Progress are exposing the attitude and in some cases horrific actions of the abortion industry.

Renee Chelian with supporters outside Michigan Capital

Renee Chelian with supporters outside Michigan Capital

Listen to the Audio from the 2012 exchange between Chelian and Senator Jones and read a portion of their exchange transcribed below:

Chelian: Well, first of all, I find you rather insulting.
Jones: Isn’t it true that you have a private lab to show up at your clinic to harvest parts?
Chelian: No! And sir, you are a liar!
Jones: No, I’m simply relating what witnesses have brought in.
Chelian: Well, you know, that is part of the problem with this bill is once again.
You have never taken the time to find out the facts because you are 100% wrong. I hope you are embarrassed and you’ll take that back to whoever gave you that information.
Jones: Well, I understand that you do routine gynecological tests for people 39 years old and younger but if they’re older than that, you won’t provide them; yet you will provide abortions.
Chelian: We provide routine gynecological care for the healthy younger population because we’re not specialists in menopause. And we don’t pretend to be specialists in something we’re not. Many doctors offices are specialists in menopausal care and generally after 39, it’s pre-menopausal and then going into postmenopausal care. That doesn’t have anything to do with the good gynecology care that we offer.
Jones: So you deny having LabCore and other groups come to your clinics to collect parts?
Chelian: We use LabCore when we want and any other lab when we suspect an ectopic pregnancy or a molar pregnancy. I’m not sure since you’re not a medical person that you know what that is and I would be happy to tell you if you would like to know. But those are medical problems that pathologists need to look at abortion tissue for. That is not what you suggested. That is in the continuum of good medical care.
Jones: Well, isn’t it true that they come when the babies are 14 to 24 weeks
Chelian: It is true that they come when we call them.
Jones: On Thursdays and Saturdays.
Chelian: You know, actually we do abortions more days than that. So you don’t have that right, either. They come…
Jones: Just the late-term ones.
Chelian: No, and actually we don’t really suspect an ectopic pregnancy in a late-term abortion. You really suspect an ectopic pregnancy when someone is early. Usually under 8 or 9 weeks and the patient, you, the patient, the amount of tissue that you obtain may be inconsistent with what you believe is the correct number of weeks and then we do a tissue float. Then we send it out to a lab and depending on what we find from the tissue float and beta which also goes out to a lab, you know it’s a blood test to measure hcg level. We can advise the patient to seek immediate care in a hospital. Or with her private doctor for the possible ectopic pregnancy or the discovery of a molar pregnancy, which is a pre-cancerous condition in which she needs to be followed up
with a doctor for about a year. Those are reasons that we use pathology labs – not as you …
Jones: Thank you for your testimony, Renee. I spoke yesterday with a witness who…
Chelian: Well, did you speak ? Did you call me…
Jones: spoke with your clinic and your clinic suggested that …
Chelian: Did you call me? Did you call..
Jones: a late term abortion they should make a …
Chelian: Sir, I suggest
Jones: an anatomical donation.
Chelian: You’re lying. Because…
Jones: No, I’m not. I spoke with …
Chelian: Well then your witness is lying. And if you would have picked up the phone and called me or the person who runs any one of my offices, and actually asked a question, honestly, instead of relying on some right to life flunky, with an agenda, who would lie to you because actually you should feel quite foolish right now. That is a lie. You were given false information and you’re accusing me of something, of doing something, based on your inability to get accurate information. I’m insulted
Jones: Renee, thank you for your testimony.

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Renee CHelian Partial Birth Abortion

Chelian is a former head of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers. She was once called to task after her NCAP group’s executive director admitted that he intentionally misled the media about the numbers of partial birth abortions performed on healthy women. Ron Fitzsimmons, a spokesperson for NCAPS later said that he “lied through my teeth” when he stated that the late term abortion procedure was rarely performed only on women whose lives were in danger or in the case of the health of the preborn child. “It made me physically ill,” Fitzsimmons said.

‘The abortion-rights folks know it, the anti-abortion folks know it, and so, probably, does everyone else,” he said in an article in the Medical News, an American Medical Association publication.

Planned Parenthood prez grilled on partial birth abortion where baby is delivered whole and brains are sucked out

Posted in Cecile Richards, Partial Birth Abortion, Planned Parenthood Partial Birth Abortion with tags , , , , , , , , on September 30, 2015 by saynsumthn

In an exchange with South Carolina Congressman Trey Gowdy Tuesday, Planned Parenthood’s president was asked about partial birth abortion.

Trey Gowdy Cecile RIchards Partial Borth Abortion

The questioning was tied to a Congressional hearing determining whether Planned Parenthood should continue to receive the over $500 million dollars they receive each year from the tax payer. Planned Parenthood’s head, Cecile Richards answered questions relating to under cover videos recently released from the Center for Medical Progress which showed the abortion business engaged in the harvesting and selling of baby parts.

In the first video released by CMP, Planned Parenthood Federation of America Senior Director of Medical Services, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, appears to admit to using the illegal partial-birth abortion procedure (PBA) to get higher-quality fetal body parts to sell.

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    In the partial birth abortion procedure, an almost fully developed unborn baby is delivered from it’s mother, feet first, with only the head remaining inside the birth canal. The abortionist then punctures the child in the back of the neck with a pair of sharp scissors. The abortion doctor then sucks out the baby’s brain tissue to collapse the skull and deliver a dead baby.

Deborah Nucatola Planned Parenthood body parts partial birth abortion

In that shocking admission, Nucatola tells CMP investigators that the “Federal [partial birth] abortion ban is a law, and laws are up to interpretation” describing how their doctors bring the unborn baby into a breech position sounding eerily similar to the technique used in a partial borth abortion. She later tells the under cover “buyers of fetal tissue” that she will “crush below” and “crush above” the desired organ of the unborn child saying, “I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.”

In Tuesday’s Congressional hearings, Rep. Gowdy asked Richards if she could understand how some lawmakers would support a ban on Partial Birth Abortion.

I’m not trying to be argumentative,” Richards begins her reply, “But that was a political formulation not a medical formulation. But I certainly understand that it was passed and is the law of the land and Planned Parenthood certainly meets the requirements of that law,” she stated.

Rep. Gowdy them specified that he was not asking if Planned Parenthood followed the law but whether she could understand how some people opposed the gruesome procedure.

“I understand how people can disagree based on their religious beliefs, their background their own personal experiences. And, I also understand that people sometimes change over time and that’s the human condition
,” Richards said.

This statement by Richards appeared to agitate Rep. Gowdy who quickly pointed out that there have been numerous Planned Parenthood and abortion clinic staffers who have “changed over time” and left the abortion industry because of what they saw or were required to take part in.

Richards ended the questioning by stating, “I think fundamentally at Planned Parenthood we take the position that we trust women to make their decisions about their pregnancy. I’ve made my own decisions as well so I fell that I can kind of walk in their shoes.

A 1995 letter to Members of Congress, Planned Parenthood, Alan Guttmacher Institute and others stated that partial birth abortions were only performed about 500 times a year on the most extreme health cases. This figure was challenged by an abortion advocate, when Ron Fitzsimmons the director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers (NCAP) admitted that there were thousands of these gruesome abortion procedures done annually on healthy fetuses.

Hillary Rodham Clinton’s defense of gruesome late term abortion procedure: Partial Birth Abortion

Posted in 2016 Presidential Race, Abortionist, Clinton, Hillary clinton, Partial Birth Abortion with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on July 10, 2015 by saynsumthn

I have documented the long held pro-abortion position of Hillary Rodham Clinton who once praised the racist founder of Planned Parenthood.

Now we have another reason to despise her as she once defended the gruesome partial birth abortion procedure.

2016 Democrat presidential hopeful, Hillary Rodham Clinton is so extreme on abortion that she once defended the horrific partial birth abortion procedure.

Hillary Partial Birth abortion2

In 2003, a law to ban Partial Birth Abortion came before the US Senate, and then Senator Hillary Clinton defended the gruesome late term procedure opposed by a majority of American people.

The March 12, 2003 exchange between Senators Rick Santorum and Hillary Clinton was captured by CSPAN.

Rock Santorum Partial Birth ABortion

In the procedure, an almost fully developed unborn baby is delivered from it’s mother, feet first, with only the head remaining inside the birth canal. The abortionist then punctures the child in the back of the neck with a pair of sharp scissors. The abortion doctor then sucks out the baby’s brain tissue to collapse the skull and deliver a dead baby.

PBA

A shocking description of partial birth abortion was captured by Life Dynamics after the pro-life group obtained tapes from a 1992 National Abortion Federation (NAF) conference describing the procedure.

In a 2003 Life Talk show, president Mark Crutcher played horrific audio of abortionist Martin Haskell describing the procedure to NAF members while showing it to the group on screen.

You can listen to a portion of that audio below and you can order the full audio called Fire and Ice from Life Dynamics.

This is how the abortionist described killing an unborn child:

    The surgeon introduces a large grasping forcep, such as Bierer or Hern, through the vaginal and cervical canals into the corpus of the uterus. He moves the tip of the instrument carefully towards the fetal lower extremities. When the instrument appears on the sonogram screen, the surgeon is able to open and close the jaws firmly to reliably grasp the lower extremity.

    The surgeon then applies firm traction causing eversion of the fetus and pulls the extremity into the vagina. By observing the movement of the lower extremity and the eversion of the fetus on the ultrasound screen, the surgeon is assured that hos instrument has not inadvertently grasped a maternal structure.

    PBA Martin Haskell

    The surgeon then uses his fingers to deliver the opposite lower extremity, then the torso, the shoulders and the upper extremities. The skull lodges in the internal os.The fetus oriented dorsum or spine up.

    Life Dynamics PBA

    At this point, the surgeon, the right-handed surgeon slides the fingers of the left hand along the back of the fetus and hooks the shoulders of the fetus with the index and ring fingers. Next he slides the tip of the middle finger along the spine towards the skull while applying traction to the shoulders and the lower extremities. The middle finger lifts and pushes the cervix out of the way. While maintaining this tension, the surgeon then takes a pair of blunt Metzenbaum scissors in the right hand. he carefully advances the tip curve down along the spine and under the middle finger until he feels it contact the base of the skull, under the tip of the middle finger. Reassessing the proper placement of the closed scissors tip, and safe elevation of the cervix, the surgeon the forces the scissors into the base of the skull. He spreads the scissors to enlarge the opening. The surgeon then introduces a suction catheter into this hole and evacuates the skull contents. With the catheter still in place, he applies traction to the fetus, removing it completely from the patient.

Hillary Partial Birth abortion

During the 2003 debate Hillary Clinton suggested that outlawing the horrific procedure was a “slippery slop.”

Asked by Senator Santorum, “What is your definition of extreme Mrs. Clinton?

Clinton replied, “What I do think is extreme is making a decision in this body to outlaw a medical procedure that may or may not be required.”

Rick Santorum Partial Birth Abortion

“Is the Senator aware of Ron Fitzsimmons who runs the association of abortion clinics who has said that when the argument was made by many of the people…like yourself who came forward to say this procedure was medically necessary…That Ron Fitzsommons said he lied through his teeth when he gave that argument?” Santorum asked Hillary.

Santorum was referring to a statement made by Ron Fitzsimmons, head of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers (NCAP) in 1997 where admitted that the majority of the estimated 3000 to 5000 partial birth abortions performed annually were on healthy babies.

Fitzsimmons told Nightline, “The majority of these procedures are performed in the late second trimester on healthy women and healthy fetuses. That’s — the law allows that. Women come in at that point unfortunately, for whatever reason, seeking abortion services. We estimate that approximately 3,000 to 5,000 are performed in the United States on an annual basis.”

Ron Fitzsommons Lie partial birth abortion

In an article in American Medical News, Fitzsimmons recalled the night in November 1995, when he appeared on “Nightline” on ABC where he told the news outlet that I “lied through my teeth” when he said the procedure was used rarely and only on women whose lives were in danger or whose fetuses were damaged.

It made me physically ill,” Fitzsimmons said in an interview.

“I told my wife the next day, ‘I can’t do this again.’ ”

Ron Fitzsommons Lie partial birth abortion 2

Santorum pointed out to Hillary Clinton that in just one state, out of the 182 partial birth abortions reported in one year in the state of Kansas, none were done for medical reasons.

They were all classified as quote mental health,” Santorum said.

Regarding the possibility that some babies would have fetal abnormalities, Santorum asked Hillary, “It still is a child, is it not?

“Do we consider a child who may not live long or may have an abnormality to be less of a child? Is this less of a human being because it’s not perfect?” he asked.

That we need these kinds of infanticide to weed out those that are not going to survive?” he said.

Clinton did not answer the question but rather asked if the legislation being proposed would make an exception for babies with health issues.

I value every single life and every single person. But if you can explain to me how the United States government through the criminal law process will be making these decisions without infringing on fundamental rights, without imposing onerous burdens on women and their families, I would be more than happy to listen,” Hillary Clinton told Santorum.

Watch the exchange below: here

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The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 was eventually passed despite Hillary Clinton’s objections and it was signed into law by the President George W. Bush on Nov 5, 2003.

Late term abortion for convenience?

Posted in Late term abortion with tags , , , , , , , on September 23, 2013 by saynsumthn

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In an interview, Susan Robinson a later term abortionist claims that women seek her out for abortions because they did not know they were pregnant. This explanation validates the claim pro-lifers have made for years that late term abortions are for convenience:

Well, a large percentage of our patients had no idea that they were pregnant. People go, “How could this possibly be?” Well, look at that reality show. It happens. Maybe you’re a little heavy and you already have irregular periods, or you had intercourse once, several months ago, and the guy said he pulled out and there’s no sex education in your school so you think everything’s fine. Or you never have periods because you’re very thin, or a doctor has told you you were infertile.

I could tell you a million reasons why women who are perfectly smart—and they are, these are not stupid women—don’t come to know they are pregnant. They have no weight changes, they don’t feel sick, they don’t feel movement, or if they do they think it’s gas. Suddenly someone says, “Hmm, your stomach’s looking big, have you taken a pregnancy test?” And the person may have taken a test, and it may have come out negative—I’ve had women that only got a positive on their third test. And either way they think they just got pregnant. They have no idea they’re in their 24th week. So they make an appointment for an abortion, and it takes a few weeks, and they have their ultrasound and find out that they’re at 27 weeks, which is too far for an abortion anywhere. So then what happens? They either give up or have a baby, or they go on the Internet and they find us.

In 1997, Pro-choice spokesperson, Ron Fitzsimmons of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers (NCAP) Told Nightline this about the number of late term abortions being done, “The majority of these procedures are performed in the late second trimester on healthy women and healthy fetuses. That’s — the law allows that. Women come in at that point unfortunately, for whatever reason, seeking abortion services. We estimate that approximately 3,000 to 5,000 are performed in the United States on an annual basis.” ( NCAP is an organization of abortionists). In an article in American Medical News, Fitzsimmons recalled the night in November 1995, when he appeared on ”Nightline” on ABC and ”lied through my teeth” when he said the procedure was used rarely and only on women whose lives were in danger or whose fetuses were damaged.”It made me physically ill,” Fitzsimmons said in an interview. ”I told my wife the next day, ‘I can’t do this again.’ ”

Mr. Fitzsmmons said that after that interview he stayed on the sidelines of the debate for a while, but with growing unease. As much as he disagreed with the National Right to Life Committee and others who oppose abortion under any circumstances, he said he knew they were accurate when they said the procedure was common.

Slate Magazine, not known for being pro-life, reported that Abortion practitioners have publicly admitted the same for years. Martin Haskell, the Ohio doctor who developed the procedure, asserted in one paper that 80 percent of his patients choose it because it is safer and more convenient than the alternatives. There was no medical necessity. The other leading late-term abortionist, the now-deceased Dr. James McMahon, presented similar statistics before a congressional committee two years ago. These two doctors together performed 500 late-term abortions in one year, and there are at least eight other doctors who administer it–obviously, this adds up to more than 500 IDEs a year nationwide.

The Bergen (NJ) Record interviewed an abortion clinic employee in 1996 who admitted that “Most [late-term abortions] are for elective, not medical, reasons: people who didn’t realize, or didn’t care, how far along they were.” (This person was employed by a New Jersey clinic that performs at least 1,500 partial-birth).

In 1990, The LA Times asked, Anne Walshe who is an abortion clinic administrator in Manhattan, her view on late term abortions and she replied, “What’s the difference? Abortion is abortion. The nice folks who are debating this, who want to draw the line and put a limit on gestational age, will just be putting a restriction on poor women. Women who want abortions get them…These women know they are pregnant, but not until the 16th or 17th week, when the fetus is kicking and bothering them, do they say, ‘Oh, I have to deal with this,’ ” she says. “It’s not that these women are bad, or they’re wrong. They’re just poor. They don’t lead organized, routine lives.” Walsh’s clinic does as many as 16,000 abortions a year. At least half are performed during the second trimester.

And to respond to the lie that few abortionists do late term abortions, listen to late-term abortionist, Warren Hern’s response to the New York Times in 2000: (Responding to the competitive business of late term abortion). “The startling thing to me was that a very large room was filled — packed. Twenty years ago, there were just two or three doctors in the country doing late abortions.“

To quote Cal Thomas, Legal abortion was conceived in a lie. Norma McCorvey, “Jane Roe,” claimed to have been raped. She later admitted lying in order to make her case more compelling to the Supreme Court. The justices who made abortion legal believed testimony that thousands of women were dying from illegal abortions, a “fact” asserted by the National Abortion Rights Action League, but later acknowledged to be false by top NARAL official Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who was at the time operating the nation’s largest abortion clinic in New York.

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To maintain a policy of abortion on demand, proponents have had to continue telling lies. Planned Parenthood, which consistently argues for maintaining the abortion status quo, once told a different story. In 1965, a Planned Parenthood pamphlet called “Plan Your Children” said of family planning: “Is it abortion? Definitely not. An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make you sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it. Birth control merely postpones the beginning of life.” Was Planned Parenthood lying then, or is it lying now?

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Late Term Ambivalence

Abortion clinic employee
South Bend Tribune (Indiana), 5-3-2005 quoting from: The Bergen (NJ) Record – fall of 1996
Quote: “Most (late-term abortions) are for elective, not medical, reasons: people who didn’t realize, or didn’t care, how far along they were.” (This person was employed by a New Jersey clinic that performs at least 1,500 partial-birth).

Abortion clinic Nurse
Florida abortion clinic
WorldNet Daily Biohazard bags & buckets: 9-8-2004-http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40346
Quote: A journalist’s interview with a clinic nurse, “I saw a lot of babies born alive … Dr. X said that was a side effect of a medication. They always said to leave the baby alone, and they would stop breathing … Two hours was the longest I saw a baby live … One girl was 26-27 weeks …

They put the babies in red biohazard bags when they were still moving … tied the bag up … put them in a biohazard box. The biohazard medical service would pick boxes up Monday and Thursday.

Dr. X would insert the medication and send the women home. They were told to come back the next day.

There was one incident where the woman had the baby while she was waiting at the door for the clinic to open. She got there at 7 a.m. The clinic opened at 8 a.m. She said the baby was born alive. The baby was now dead, and she was holding the baby in a bag. She was bleeding.

I was in the room when Dr. X gave the digoxin to stop that baby’s heartbeat beforehand. [Digoxin is a medication inserted by needle through a mother’s abdomen into a baby’s heart to cause instant cardiac arrest.]

Well, he didn’t have an ultrasound machine that day. He inserted the needle blindly. He said he’d been doing it so many years, he knew the location. But he didn’t actually know if he hit the heart.

I know this nurse – Bridget. She was working there when the new doctor held a baby under water in a bucket when she told him the baby was alive. That baby was between 25-26 weeks. Bridget left two months ago because of that.

I left because I got tired of everything going on and the fact Dr. X would coach women into saying they were going to kill themselves if they didn’t abort. Then he said he had a legal right to do it past viability. He did them all the way to 40 weeks.”

Abortionist
Salon magazine,Birth Doctor, Mother Abortionist: An intimate conversation with a woman on the front lines of America’s most emotionally charged debate: June 1997
Quote: Camille Peri’s interview with an abortion doctor referred to as Dr. X printed in Salon Magazine asked Dr. X ( who requested anonymity out of concern for her safety and that of her family) the question:

Would you be comfortable doing late-term abortions?

She replied, “I really feel comfortable doing procedures that are 12 weeks and under. Even between nine and 12 weeks there’s a big jump in development, and from 12 to 16 there’s another big jump. If I felt that the availability of late-term abortions was resting on my shoulders, I might have to rethink it. But emotionally, I would prefer not to do them. ”

Abortionist

Portland Press Herald (Maine),Doctors speak bluntly about late-term abortion: 5-23-1997
Quote: ”No one wants something that simulates a living birth,” said a New England doctor who specializes in late abortions.

Abortionist
Portland Press Herald (Maine),Doctors speak bluntly about late-term abortion: 5-23-1997
Quote: The Portland Press Herald gave this description of their time with a late-term abortionist,

Sitting before a desk strewn with forceps and medical studies in a New York City office, one veteran abortion doctor graphically explained his technique, which he said he has taught to at least a dozen doctors. He himself performs 200 late abortions a year; he attempts an intact dilation and extraction in half, and succeeds in about a quarter, or 50 cases, he said.

Twenty-four hours before the abortion, he begins to dilate a woman’s cervix, using laminaria, which are sterilized sticks of seaweed. The next day, he generally gives the patient a local anesthetic and a sedative.

”You go in and fish out a foot and pull the fetus into a breach position,” the doctor said. ”You turn it so that the backside is up, pull down on its hips and rotate. When you get to the shoulder blade, it’s easy to sweep the arms down. Then, most of the time you have to crush or fenestrate the skull so that it can come out.”

Alan Rosenfield
Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center
NY Times, When abortion becomes birth: A dilemna of medical ethics shaken by advances: 2-15-1984-
Quote: ”The area of late abortions is one of our most difficult areas,” said Dr. Alan Rosenfield, acting director of obstetrics and gynecology at Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center. ”There are no easy answers, given our technology now.”

Ann Furedi
pro-abortion speaker
pro-choice forum, The Law and ethics of Post Viability Abortion, by Dr. Andrew Fergusson and Ann Furedi-transcript of papers given at a seminar held at Kent University Law School in the Autumn Term 1997 http://www.prochoiceforum.org.uk/aad2.asp
Quote: Ann Furedi spoke to a group of students regarding abortions in the later stages or pregnancy.

“Pregnant women do not like to seek late abortions, doctors do not like to perform them. An abortion is not an abstract issue for the woman who seeks it. Her pregnancy is a pressing practical problem and seeks an abortion because she has reasons for wishing to end it. You may not agree with that reason and you may think it wrong for that woman to end her pregnancy. But your agreement and approval is of no consequence. The issue is: should you have the right to force a woman to endure pregnancy and labour because you disapprove of her reason.

She went on to state, “I agree that public opinion in respect of late termination is more ambivalent and people are uneasy about it. Perhaps one of our tasks is to educate people about why late termination is necessary. It struck me particularly recently when I was looking at the abortion statistics for 1996.I looked at the gestations of some of these late terminations and was shocked to discover the latest termination was of a pregnancy of 37 weeks. My own son was born at 37 weeks and he was not regarded as a premature baby. There are two ways you can think about the woman who had this abortion. You can see her as the most callous, brutal woman whoever existed, or you think of her as the most desperate woman on earth to have requested abortion at that stage. My view is that she would be the most desperate woman on earth to consider that her child would be better not born alive. I think the last thing women need is the law dictating and restricting choice and making judgments about their decisions. Women are the people who have to live with the choices they make and they should decide, regardless of the stage in pregnancy.” (According to Source Watch, Ann Furedi is director of communications at the British Pregnancy Advisory Service )

Anne Walshe
abortion clinic administrator
LA Times, The Abortions of Last Resort, 1-7-1990
Quote: The LA Times interviewed Anne Walshe, the blunt-spoken administrator of a Manhattan abortion clinic that she wants to remain anonymous. Her clinic, one of the nation’s busiest, does as many as 16,000 abortions a year. At least half are performed during the second trimester.

The article states that Walshe shows little patience for the idea that a later procedure somehow poses a more difficult moral judgment. “What’s the difference? Abortion is abortion. The nice folks who are debating this, who want to draw the line and put a limit on gestational age, will just be putting a restriction on poor women. Women who want abortions get them. It will just force the poor women back to unacceptable remedies.”

Anne Walshe
abortion clinic administrator
LA Times, The Abortions of Last Resort, 1-7-1990
Quote: The LA Times said that the realities that abortion clinic administrator Anne Walshe sees every day ( in her abortion clinic) , she admits, can be unsettling. “These women know they are pregnant, but not until the 16th or 17th week, when the fetus is kicking and bothering them, do they say, ‘Oh, I have to deal with this,’ ” she says. “It’s not that these women are bad, or they’re wrong. They’re just poor. They don’t lead organized, routine lives.”

Barry Chandler
head of neonatalogy at Plantation General in Florida
Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, Preemies need special follow-up care, 4-12-1992
Quote: “ If we’re able to save a 500-gram (About 1 Pound) baby, how can you think of abortion at that age?” (Commenting on the hospital’s decision to stop performing abortions after 18 weeks gestation).

Carole Meyers
abortionist, medical director of Planned Parenthood of Maryland
The Baltimore Sun, Abortion gets wide protection in Md. law; Procedure likely to remain available if Roe is overturned: 1-15-2006
Quote: “There are fewer providers that do second-trimester abortions than five years ago. The second-trimester procedure is more controversial because the fetus is more developed.”

Carolyn Westhoff
abortionist
Washington Times, Forum: Abortion trials and tribulations, 4-25-2004
Quote: The Washington Times reported that abortion doctor Carolyn Westhoff, testifying in the New York trial, spoke of how it is “necessary to insert our forceps, open them as wide as possible to try to capture the head within the opening of the forceps and then crush the head using external force applied against the head.” She admitted there is “usually a heartbeat” when she performs a partial-birth abortion, and that even when she collapses the skull, the baby is still “living.”

Daniel Callahan

director of the Hastings Center, a medical-ethics research institute in New York
LA Times, The Abortions of Last Resort, 1-7-1990
Quote: “As much as I would prefer to avert my moral gaze, a late abortion forces me to confront the reality of abortion and my own incompletely suppressed doubts,” writes ethicist Daniel Callahan, director of the Hastings Center, a medical-ethics research institute in New York. “I suspect that for all but a small minority of those who, like myself, count themselves on the pro-choice side in the abortion debate, the matter of late abortions cannot help triggering distress. It stretches our commitment to the breaking point.”

David Grimes
US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
NY Times, When abortion becomes birth: A dilemna of medical ethics shaken by advances: 2-15-1984-
Quote: In a New York Times article on late term abortions they point out that, according to the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, the use of dilation and evacuation in second- trimester abortions has increased greatly in recent years, as more physicians have learned to perform the procedure and it has gained in acceptance.

The article says that division abounds among gynecologists about who is willing to perform late abortions and by what method

But Dr. David Grimes, a gynecologist with the division of reproductive health at the center in Atlanta told the paper that, ”I think every obstetrician struggles with this and makes his mind up what his threshold is. Some do it until 12 weeks. Some will do it until 24.”

David Grimes
US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
LA Times, The Abortions of Last Resort, 1-7-1990
Quote: “Although these late abortions are infrequent, they are terribly important, because the women who need them need them desperately,” says Dr. David Grimes, a USC professor of obstetrics and gynecology who is a leading medical voice in the abortion-rights movement.

Dennis Christensen
abortionist
Wisconsin State Journal, Women need control over birth choice, physician says: 3-4-2001
Quote: “At the point where the fetus becomes viable is a reasonable point where the mother should accept responsibility for the pregnancy,” Christensen said. But he added, “I still believe, even after a woman could deliver, this is still a decision that should be made by a woman on her own, based on the circumstances of her own life.”

Does a fetus have any rights to its body? “Not until it’s born,” he said flatly.

Department of Justice
Department of Justice, press release: Justice Department Statement Regarding the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act: 11-6-2003
Quote: Congress found that a “moral, medical, and ethical consensus exists that the practice of performing a partial-birth abortion… is a gruesome and inhumane procedure that is never medically necessary and should be prohibited.” See Act, § 2(1). Congress determined that “[r]ather than being an abortion procedure that is embraced by the medical community, particularly among physicians who routinely perform other abortion procedures, partial-birth abortion remains a disfavored procedure that is not only unnecessary to preserve the health of the mother, but in fact poses serious risks to the long-term health of women and in some circumstances, their lives.” See Act, § 2(2).

Department of Justice
Department of Justice, press release: Justice Department Statement Regarding the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act: 11-6-2003
Quote: “[U]nborn infants at this stage can feel pain when subjected to painful stimuli and that their perception of this pain is even more intense than that of newborn infants and older children when subjected to the same stimuli. Thus, during a partial-birth abortion procedure, the child will fully experience the pain associated with piercing his or her skull and sucking out his or her brain.” See Act, § 2(14)(M).

Department of Justice
Department of Justice, press release: Justice Department Statement Regarding the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act: 11-6-2003
Quote: Congress concluded that the “gruesome and inhumane nature of the partial-birth abortion procedure and its disturbing similarity to the killing of a newborn infant promotes a complete disregard for infant human life that can only be countered by a prohibition of the procedure.” See Act, § 2(14)(L).

Fritz Fuchs
New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center
NY Times, When abortion becomes birth: A dilemna of medical ethics shaken by advances: 2-15-1984-
Quote: ”We decided to cut back to 20 weeks,” said Dr. Fritz Fuchs, professor and former chairman of the department of obstetrics and gynecology at New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center, where an exception is made for major defects. ”In this manner, we have avoided getting into any difficulties with the law.”

George Tiller

Portland Press Herald (Maine),Doctors speak bluntly about late-term abortion: 5-23-1997
Quote: ”Whatever the truth about fetal pain, I think the women are concerned about it. So I tell them we can take care of that with fetal euthanasia.”

George Tiller
abortionist, late term
Portland Press Herald (Maine),Doctors speak bluntly about late-term abortion: 5-23-1997
Quote: ”This idea in Washington that most of us postpone fetal demise until delivery is completely out of harmony with what we do,” said Dr. George Tiller of Wichita, Kan

Gordon W. Douglas

abortionist, New York University Medical Center
NY Times, When abortion becomes birth: A dilemna of medical ethics shaken by advances: 2-15-1984-
Quote: ”It’s necessary to remember that these days abortion is done on request and therefore not a procedure you undertake in the interest of the fetus,” said Dr. Gordon W. Douglas, the chief of obstetrics and gynecology at New York University Medical Center, where abortions are performed only until the 20th week of pregnancy except in cases of fetal abnormality.

”What most of us try to do is to try to remain within the law and not generate problems for anyone,” Dr. Douglas said. ”The hospital requires any live fetus to be given full supportive services and full resuscitation regardless of prognosis. But the delivery of a living fetus carries no guarantee of a surviving adult of any competence.”

Harlan Giles
abortionist
Wisconsin State Journal , Doctors debate abortion methods: 5-28-1999
Quote: Dr. Harlan Giles, who primarily relies on inducing labor to perform late-term abortions in Pittsburgh, said he saw no need for D&X. ( Partial-birth abortions)

”I have never been faced with a situation where a D&X . . . would be necessary or even preferable,” Giles said.

He said he decided to testify in the Wisconsin case and in other states where such laws have been challenged because he was ”emotionally and medically disturbed” by the procedure.

”I consider it cruel and unusual punishment that causes pain to the fetus when it’s performed,” Giles said.

Hospital nurse
Interview with Jill Stanek-WorldNet Daily Biohazard bags & buckets: 9-8-2004- http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40346
Quote: A nurse who works at a hospital in southern California a journalist and said this, “I, too, witnessed a similar incident during one very long night shift in the emergency room. We were summoned to get a “pregnant woman in distress” out of her car. The first to arrive was a paramedic, who reported hearing a little cry as she approached. She tried to give the baby rescue breaths, but a new infant can’t tolerate more than a couple minutes without oxygen before permanent brain damage occurs, as you know. By the time we got the infant inside, she was already cyanotic [blue] and, with the parents’ urging, the ER doc pronounced her [dead] almost immediately. The focus turned to stabilizing the mom who was bleeding profusely. I felt so badly for her and tried to comfort. She was quite cold to my attempts, which, of course, raised suspicions. When mom’s “primary physician” arrived on scene, we all realized what was going on – that it was, in fact, an abortion. This was a perfectly formed 26-week baby. Someone laid her on a table. As soon as I saw her I nearly fell apart. The image of that beautiful, fully formed, perfect little infant haunts me to this day. I’ve seen it in my sleep. I’ve seen it every time I see a pregnant woman.”

Hugh R. Barber
Lenox Hill Hospital
NY Times, When abortion becomes birth: A dilemna of medical ethics shaken by advances: 2-15-1984-
Quote: ”We have to warn the families,” said Dr. Hugh R. Barber, chief of obstetrics and gynecology at Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan, where abortions are performed until the legal limit of 24 weeks. ”You have to tell them there is a slight possibility the fetus may live.”

James Koch
board member of Planned Parenthood
Boston Globe, Disagreement within abortion-rights ranks, 1-16-1990
Quote: “I would perhaps be happier if there were less latitude beyond 24 weeks, with better spelling out of the circumstances under which a termination could take place after that time.” (Commenting on a proposed amendment that would legalize late term abortions).

James McMahon
late term abortionist
LA Times, The Abortions of Last Resort, 1-7-1990
Quote: McMahon is one of relatively few doctors in the country who specialize in performing abortions up to 24 weeks, or almost six months, into a pregnancy. He has, in dire circumstances, done them as far as 32 weeks from conception, just six weeks short of an average delivery date. For the most complicated procedures, he charges $8,000. For the easiest and earliest abortions, he charges $500, which is more than double the rate asked at most clinics.

“That’s my specialty,” this former altar boy says of abortion. “That’s my expertise. That’s my passion.”

James McMahon
late term abortionist
LA Times, The Abortions of Last Resort, 1-7-1990
Quote: McMahon, 51, performed his first abortion in 1972, when California was one of the few states where women could easily get a legal abortion. Fascinated by the technical aspects of the procedure, McMahon gradually began to specialize in it, abandoning plans for a family practice that would have included obstetrics. “I felt that you can’t do both. You do a delivery, and then you do a late abortion,” he says. “I couldn’t take the emotional roller-coaster ride.”

James McMahon
late term abortionist
LA Times, The Abortions of Last Resort, 1-7-1990
Quote: McMahon has developed his own method that he calls intrauterine cranial decompression. He arranges the fetus so that he can remove it feet first. Before the skull emerges, he “collapses” it by inserting a three-millimeter instrument known as a cannula and extracting its fluid. By keeping the fetus intact, he says, he runs less risk of internal injury to the woman.

“I want to deal with the head last, because that’s the biggest problem,” he adds levelly. “From my point of view, the fetus is a potential problem to the patient.”

Janice Compton
executive director ,Florida Abortion Rights Action League
St. Petersburg Times (Florida), Abortion battle waged over limits, 4-29-1990
Quote: “I think this goes against the sensibilities of the vast majority of Americans, including the most pro-choice among us. Viability as a rule sets a different ethic in place.”

Jeffrey Karaban
sonographer,Eastern Women’s Center in Manhattan
NY Times, When abortion becomes birth: A dilemna of medical ethics shaken by advances: 2-15-1984
Quote: ”Sonograms are very subjective,” said Jeffrey Karaban, a sonographer at one of the largest abortion clinics in New York City, the Eastern Women’s Center in Manhattan, where 8,000 abortions are performed a year. ”Certainly there are a lot of bad sonograms done. We have patients come from seemingly reputable places and yet their sonograms don’t jibe with what we see.”

John Parsons
abortionist
ABC.net: Religion and Ethics: 12-28-2005
Quote: “A late termination is actually not very nice and there is no way of getting away from it, I don’t feel I am doing it for any other reason than for the best of both the mother and the baby.”

Katie Reinisch
interim executive director of Planned Parenthood of Miami
Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, Preemies need special follow-up care, 4-12-1992
Quote: “ It definitely impacts abortion laws. Even those of us committed to pro-choice have a hard time saying we support late-term abortions and as the point of viability creeps up…” (Commenting on the way medicine can save a preemie at earlier stages of gestation).

LA Times
media
LA Times, The Abortions of Last Resort, 1-7-1990
Quote: In 1990 the LA Times reported that, six years ago, several hospitals in the San Francisco Bay area began limiting second-trimester abortions because nurses were refusing to attend the procedures. The nurses said the aborted fetuses looked too much like the “preemies” they were tending elsewhere.

LeRoy Carhart
abortionist
Boston Globe,Doctors wary of partial-birth abortion law, By Carol Cruzan Morton, Globe Correspondent, 10/28/2003
Quote: “If any part ( of the fetus) comes out before it dies, bang, I’m in jail. This law will ban all D&Es. It will change the number of safe places to have an abortion. This could close every abortion clinic in the US.”

Marie Stopes International
abortion umbrella organization
The Sunday Times (Britain) Abortion clinics back cut to a 20-week limit, Sarah-Kate Templeton, 4-3-2005
Quote: Marie Stopes is a UK organization which carries out 60,000 abortions a year at its nine clinics in Britain, says the 24-week limit ought to be lowered to 20 weeks because of evidence that the fetus is “potentially viable” before 24 weeks.

Mary Campbell
medical director of Planned Parenthood of Metro Washington
NY Times, Wider Impact Is Foreseen for Bill to Ban Type of Abortion: 11-6-1995
Quote: “Clearly they’re anxious to prosecute anybody who’s doing second- or third-trimester abortions. I know people who have said that this would be the end of their third-trimester practice, and probably their second.”

Michael Benjamin
abortionist
Orlando Sentinel : 4-15-1997
Quote: “If the true interest here were the needs of the mother and the fetus, you’d allow the procedure to continue.” (Commenting on the partial-birth abortion ban)

Peter Bours

abortionist
The New York Times, The abortion conflict; what it does to one doctor, By Dudley Clendinen; Dudley Clendinen is a New York Times correspondent based in Atlanta :8-11-1985
Quote: ”I don’t know where you can draw the line, I say 12 weeks. Others might say 14, 16 or 18 weeks. When you get beyond 18 or 20 weeks, you get into trouble. I have a practicable kind of morality. The technique changes a lot between 12 and 13 weeks. The complications increase. The amount of pain to the patient goes up.”

Phillip G. Stubblefield
chief of obstetrics and gynecology at Maine Medical Center former president NAF
LA Times, The Abortions of Last Resort, 1-7-1990
Quote: Science has come far enough to leave some doctors increasingly leery of later abortions. Dr. Phillip G. Stubblefield, chief of obstetrics and gynecology at Maine Medical Center in Portland and former president of the National Abortion Federation ( NAF) , an organization of abortion providers, has suggested in 1990 that physicians voluntarily limit themselves to doing abortion at no later than 22 weeks, except in cases where the fetus is doomed or the woman’s health is threatened.

“I personally will admit that I do find it difficult and painful (to do an abortion in the latter part of the second trimester),” Stubblefield says. “There is the feeling that one is close to viability, and this is something that at some point is wrong.”

Phillip Stubblefield
abortionist
NY Times, When abortion becomes birth: A dilemna of medical ethics shaken by advances: 2-15-1984
Quote: ”Social policy makes the late abortion issue worse,” said Dr. Phillip Stubblefield, chief of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Auburn Hospital in Cambridge, Mass., and an associate professor at Harvard Medical School. ”Doing an abortion at 28 weeks is indefensible. I would draw a line at 24.”

He went on to add,”But there should be a middle ground. Some abortions are necessary. What we should do is try to streamline the system so that help can be gotten earlier.”

Reporter
The Washington Post,A New Look at Late-Term Abortion; A rigid refusal even to consider society’s interest in the matter endangers abortion rights.Richard Cohen:9-24-1996
Quote: “I didn’t know it at the time, of course, and maybe the people who supplied my data — the usual pro-choice groups — were giving me what they thought was precise information. And precise I was.

I wrote that “just four one-hundredths of one percent of abortions are performed after 24 weeks” and that “most, if not all, are performed because the fetus is found to be severely damaged or because the life of the mother is clearly in danger.”

It turns out, though, that no one really knows what percentage of abortions are late-term. No one keeps figures.

But my Washington Post colleague David Brown looked behind the purported figures and the purported rationale for these abortions and found something other than medical crises of one sort or another. After interviewing doctors who performed late-term abortions and surveying the literature, Brown — a physician himself — wrote: “These doctors say that while a significant number of their patients have late abortions for medical reasons, many others — perhaps the majority — do not.”…In the latter stages of pregnancy, the word abortion does not quite suffice; we are talking about the killing of the fetus — and, too often, not for any urgent medical reason.”

Richard Hausknecht
abortionist
Portland Press Herald (Maine),Doctors speak bluntly about late-term abortion: 5-23-1997
Quote: ”There are a large number of second trimester terminations in this country and they are of two versions,” said Dr. Richard Hausknecht, a New York City gynecologist who used to perform late abortions but no longer does. ”There are the women who have seriously abnormal pregnancies, and then the larger group, who are usually young or indigent.”

Richard Hausknecht
abortionist, Mount Sinai Hospital
NY Times, When abortion becomes birth: A dilemna of medical ethics shaken by advances: 2-15-1984-
Quote: ”It makes us all schizophrenic,” said Dr. Richard Hausknecht, an associate clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Hospital who specializes in high risk pregnancies. ”Nowadays we are asked to terminate a pregnancy that in two weeks doctors on the same floor are fighting to save.”

Richard Hausknecht
formerly performed abortions
Portland Press Herald (Maine),Doctors speak bluntly about late-term abortion: 5-23-1997
Quote: ”Any procedure at this stage is pretty gruesome. When I did second-trimester abortions, I did them late in the day, and when I’d get home, my wife would say, ‘You did one today, didn’t you?’ It would be all over my face.”

Robert Crist

abortionist
St. Petersburg Times, “A chain of tears:’ a doctor and abortion:6-3-1990
Quote: In an article printed in the St. Petersburg Times, the reporter walks with abortionist Robert Crist inside the abortion clinic. He describes one scene this way:

Robin, a bartender who has one child, is here because her purse was stolen, and her birth-control pills were in her purse, and she met a man before she had them replaced, and one thing led to another, and “I can’t afford to raise one. How am I gonna afford another?”

She is 16 weeks along. Her stomach has begun to swell.

“Okay, Robin,” Crist says after administering anesthesia. “You’re going to feel some cramping sensations as I’m dilating your cervix.” He does this using a series of metal rods so he can get to the uterus, where the fetus is. The fetus is about 6 inches long and weighs about four ounces. It has arms and legs and fingers and toes.

Those who are against abortion would describe the fetus as living, while those who favor abortion rights would point out it is eight weeks shy of even the remotest chance of surviving on its own. Crist’s description of the fetus is that it’s a “potential life.”

Ron Fitzsimmons
National Coalition of Abortion Providers-NCAP
Harper’s Magazine, Gambling With Abortion,Why both sides think they have everything to lose, By Cynthia Gorney: November 2004
Quote: “They’d be talking, talking, talking, and every few minutes, they’d say, ‘Mr. Speaker, let me just once again describe this horrific procedure for you.’ I swear, I thought the debate occurred every night between five and six p.m., when people were coming home. They did exactly what I would have done—they brought out those pictures. And I was just thinking: who’s going to go out there and defend this?” (Speaking of Partial Birth Abortion Bans)

Ron Fitzsimmons
executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers
ABC Nightline, Transcript # 97022601-J07, 2-26-1997
Quote: “The majority of these procedures are performed in the late second trimester on healthy women and healthy fetuses. That’s — the law allows that. Women come in at that point unfortunately, for whatever reason, seeking abortion services. We estimate that approximately 3,000 to 5,000 are performed in the United States on an annual basis.” ( NCAP is an organization of abortionists).

Stanton Goldstein
former medical director of Planned Parenthood in Massachusetts
Boston Globe, Disagreement within abortion-rights ranks, 1-16-1990 / USA Today, Mass. Planned Parenthood chief quits, 4-18-1990
Quote: “I’m against this referendum as it legalizes abortion up to delivery. I cannot think of a single reason for aborting a healthy baby.” Goldstein resigned from Planned Parenthood over their position on late term abortions. He stated, ”I cannot support an amendment which legalizes destructive procedures of a healthy fetus in the third trimester.”

Stuart Campbell

abortionist and professor
The Tablet, The hidden wonder of new life: 10-7-2004
Quote: “My views on abortion have certainly been colored by 3-D and 4-D scans. When you see these images you realize that between 18 and 24 weeks the baby is so advanced neurological, at such an advanced stage of development, that abortion at 24 weeks is just unacceptable.” (Campbell is a pioneer of pregnancy scans, he regularly performed abortions, until he left the NHS practice. Campbell still believes in early abortions.)

Stuart Campbell

pro-choice advocate
The Sunday Times (London), Fifty babies a year are alive after abortion: 11-27-2005 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1892696,00.html
Quote: Stuart Campbell, former professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at St George’s hospital, London,“They (babies surviving abortion attemps) can be born breathing and crying at 19 weeks’ gestation. I am not anti-abortion, but as far as I am concerned this is sub-standard medicine.”

Stuart went on to state that,”If viability is the basis on which they set the 24-week limit for abortion, then the simplest answer is to change the law and reduce the upper limit to 18 weeks.”

Susan Newsom

Planned Parenthood’s associate director
Boston Globe, Disagreement within abortion-rights ranks, 1-16-1990
Quote: Susan Newsom, Planned Parenthood’s associate director, agreed that the language “is not the first choice for a lot of people.” But she said the number of abortions performed after the 24th week, or second trimester, of pregnancy is “tiny.” And she said both patients and doctors would be protected by writing the exceptions into the language.

At issue is a 1992 clause in the proposed amendment to the state constitution legalizing abortion allowing a woman to abort her fetus “at any time in cases of rape or incest or to protect the life and health of the mother.” Under the proposed amendment, all other abortions are limited to 24 weeks of pregnancy.

Newson went on to state, “I think we would frankly have a very hard time finding a doctor to perform an abortion at that time, but we just want to make sure that for that tiny percentage of women, we did not want to leave them out in the cold,” she said.

She added, “Everybody’s got their own ambivalence. Abortion is such a personal thing that people set personal criteria. The one thing we’re united on is it should be a woman’s decision and not the government’s.”

Suzanne Poppema
abortionist,author of the book “Why I Am an Abortion Doctor,”
The Post and Courier (Charleston, SC),Is partial-birth abortion any worse than ‘normal’ abortion? 5-27-1997
Quote: Dr. Suzanne Poppema, author of the book “Why I Am an Abortion Doctor,” agrees that surgery is not pretty. In an interview with the on-line publication Salon, she expressed intense frustration over the public’s susceptibility to sentimental appeals regarding partial-birth abortion.

“Abortion procedures are not aesthetically pleasant,” she declared. “There’s no question about that. You think these pictures the anti-abortion forces show in Congress are bad? I think if you started showing pictures of ‘normal’ (abortion) procedures, with forceps, those would be equally effective.”

Poppema went on, “They’re saying, ‘Oh, we think it’s a horrible idea to kill little babies about to be born.’ Well, I’m not going to say I think it’s a good idea either.” She merely believes it should have the blessing of the law.

Tim Black
chief executive of Marie Stopes International
The Sunday Times (Britain) Abortion clinics back cut to a 20-week limit, Sarah-Kate Templeton, 4-3-2005
Quote: “Public opinion is in favor of abortion but falls off quite quickly when we get to 20 weeks because there is a perception that the fetus is potentially viable. We do feel that in light of medical developments the upper limit should come down.”

Timothy Johnson
abortionist
Washington Times, Forum: Abortion trials and tribulations, 4-25-2004 http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20040424-101408-2264r.htm
Quote: The Washington Times described a New York Court Case. They state that New York witness, abortion doctor Timothy Johnson, was asked to describe what doctors use to crush the head. He described the instruments as “tongs” but “thick enough and heavy enough that you can actually grasp and crush with those instruments as if you were picking up salad or picking up anything with….”

Here was interrupted by Judge Richard Casey who interjected, “Except here you are crushing the head of a baby.”

“Correct,” said Dr. Johnson.

University of California
LA Times, The Abortions of Last Resort, 1-7-1990
Quote: University of California at San Francisco researchers studied the experiences of doctors, patients and nurses in a 1979 survey of 250 second-trimester abortions done by various methods. “The woman who went through a prostaglandin amnio abortion had a long and painful experience, which made it generally impossible for her to turn away from the reality of her choice,” they wrote. “Most of the amnio subjects described the product of labor as a ‘baby’ and . . . found the unremitting quality of the labor pain more difficult than childbirth. Anger at the attending physician for being unavailable was prominent.”

Nurses also objected because they were left to tend to the patient during this ordeal and to the aborted fetus afterward. On the other hand, the researchers wrote, some doctors preferred these amnio abortions because they offer “relative noninvolvement.” One doctor who used only the prostaglandin amnio method told them: “Killing a baby is not a way I want to think about myself.”

Warren Hern

abortionist, late term
NY Times, As Abortion Rate Decreases, Clinics Compete for Patients:12-30-2000
Quote: “The startling thing to me was that a very large room was filled — packed. Twenty years ago, there were just two or three doctors in the country doing late abortions.” (Responding to the competitive business of late term abortion).

Warren Hern
abortionist, director of a Boulder abortion clinic
The Denver Post, Bill pairing fetus, murder nixed Foes of a Republican’s effort to make killing a fetus first-degree murder say he has an anti-abortion motive: 2-10-2006/ Rocky Mountain News, Panel sets aside fetal death bill; Concerns raised over measure’s effect on abortion: 2-10-2006
Quote: “This bill terrifies me. It obviously appears to me to be a fatwa against doctors who do abortions by the mullahs who are anti-abortion fanatics. I could be prosecuted for murder for each abortion I perform.” (Commenting in response to an effort to create a “Laci Peterson” law that would make killing a fetus first-degree murder).

Warren Hern

late term abortionist
Boulder Abortion Clinic website; Medical Procedures, http://www.drhern.com/medicalprocedures.asp
Quote: Describing abortion procedures at his clinic,”Second trimester patients also receive an ultrasound-screening exam at the very beginning of their appointment at Boulder Abortion Clinic. In this case, a more extensive examination is necessary. Among those features of the pregnancy evaluated at this time include the diagnosis of fetal age, which is made by measuring various parts of the fetus, such as head size and femur length, that give a precise knowledge of fetal age. Other evaluations include position of the placenta, the presence of, absence of, or unusual quantity of amniotic fluid, the presence of visible fetal anomalies, pathology such as fibroids in the uterine wall, and whether the fetus is alive or not.”

Warren Hern

late term abortionist
Boulder Abortion Clinic website: Medical Procedures: http://www.drhern.com/medicalprocedures.asp
Quote: “One of the main differences for third trimester patients having a pregnancy terminated for fetal anomaly is that they may wish to have an intact fetus that they can examine and hold as part of the grief process. For many of these patients, it is not a fetus – it’s a baby.”

William Rashbaum
abortionist
NY Times, When abortion becomes birth: A dilemna of medical ethics shaken by advances: 2-15-1984
Quote: ”I do D and E’s because I think it is safer,” said Dr. William Rashbaum, a gynecologist affiliated with Beth Israel ”It is a horrible procedure. Staff burnout is a major problem. But are you functioning in the interests of taking care of your staff or taking care of your patients?”

Third Trimester Abortion Truths

Posted in Abortion, Anti-abortion, Late term abortion, Media Bias, pro-choice, Pro-Life, Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , on June 15, 2009 by saynsumthn

It is time America faces the truth about late term abortions. They are legal and are being performed for “any reason” in all stages of pregnancy.

In 1997, Pro-choice spokesperson, Ron Fitzsimmons of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers (NCAP) Told Nightline this about the number of late term abortions being done, “The majority of these procedures are performed in the late second trimester on healthy women and healthy fetuses. That’s — the law allows that. Women come in at that point unfortunately, for whatever reason, seeking abortion services. We estimate that approximately 3,000 to 5,000 are performed in the United States on an annual basis.” ( NCAP is an organization of abortionists).

The Bergen (NJ) Record interviewed an abortion clinic employee in 1996 who admitted that “Most (late-term abortions) are for elective, not medical, reasons: people who didn’t realize, or didn’t care, how far along they were.” (This person was employed by a New Jersey clinic that performs at least 1,500 partial-birth).

In 1990, The LA Times asked, Anne Walshe who is an abortion clinic administrator in Manhattan, her view on late term abortions and she replied, “What’s the difference? Abortion is abortion. The nice folks who are debating this, who want to draw the line and put a limit on gestational age, will just be putting a restriction on poor women. Women who want abortions get them…These women know they are pregnant, but not until the 16th or 17th week, when the fetus is kicking and bothering them, do they say, ‘Oh, I have to deal with this,’ ” she says. “It’s not that these women are bad, or they’re wrong. They’re just poor. They don’t lead organized, routine lives.” Walsh’s clinic does as many as 16,000 abortions a year. At least half are performed during the second trimester.

And to respond to the lie that few abortionists do late term abortions, listen to late-term abortionist, Warren Hern’s response to the New York Times in 2000: (Responding to the competitive business of late term abortion). “The startling thing to me was that a very large room was filled — packed. Twenty years ago, there were just two or three doctors in the country doing late abortions.

Now that you have heard the opinions of the pro-choicers on this matter, I wish the truth would be told by the media. However if they are still ignorant to truth, here are the ads that the abortion industry advertises their “Late Term” Killings under. Click Here , after all MONEY TALKS, huh?