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So-called “Reverend” compares abortion to appendectomy or tonsillectomy calling it moral and honorable

Posted in Church pro-abortion, Religious Coalition of Reproductive Choice with tags , , , , , , , , , , , on July 9, 2015 by saynsumthn

A New York “Reverend” has called abortion “moral and honorable work” comparing killing babies in the womb to an appendectomy or tonsillectomy.

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The Cherry Hill Women’s Center abortion clinic kills unborn babies all the way up to 24 weeks.

But, that did not deter the Rev. Donna Schaper, senior minister of Judson Memorial Church in New York, NY from giving the New Jersey child killing center a certificate of appreciation which shockingly stated:

    “In recognition and gratitude for your moral and honorable work as a defender of reproductive justice.”

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It is insane to say that the wholesale slaughter of babies in the womb is in anyway moral or honorable.

The pro-abortion Rev. Schaper, once wrote that, “As Christians, as Baptists, we wearily say, the right to choose a medical procedure is also a woman’s right. It has to do fundamentally with the freedom of our souls to practice our religion and morality in our own ways.”

In a sermon posted online, Rev. Schaper describes how abortion is “moral” comparing child killing to an appendectomy or a tonsillectomy.

So when were talking about keeping a baby, we are not talking about a delivery. We are talking about the days and the weeks and the months and the years of that baby’s life,” she said.

The message is somewhat convoluted to those of us who are grounded in Biblical truth. Her ramblings of scripture, quotes from Robert Frost mingled with stories of a medical missionary and other stories confused me on her exact points.

Her emphasis was on the word “keeping” but her delivery as to what exactly she meant by that was unclear to me.

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So once we understand what it means to keep a child,which is not just birthing a child, we become free to access the medical technology of abortion. Finally, it is nothing more or less than a medical technology, that’s all it is.”

And, you may or may not like this but it’s a lot like an appendectomy or a tonsillectomy. Forgive me, if that offends you in some way but it does not offend me. It is about a technology to keep or not to keep.

She then claims abortion is about protecting children.

“Lets just take the high ground which is taking care and keeping children
,” she stated, however confusing this sounds.

More about the Cherry Hill abortion clinic here.

Pastor on church shooting: This is not a skin problem – this is a sin problem

Posted in Black Pastor, Church with tags , , , , , , , , on June 19, 2015 by saynsumthn

Only days ago the national news media descended on McKinney, Texas following an incident which occurred with police after several teens crashed a pool party in the city and police were called to the scene.

The incident attracted vocal statements from all sides with some claiming the police were too rough on specifically Black teenagers.

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Video of the event went viral after a McKinney police officer threw a teen girl to the ground, kneeling into her back in what appeared to be an over aggressive manner. The officer resigned shortly after the incident.

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Today, we woke up to the news that a young white man went into an historically African American church in Charleston, South Carolina and in cold-blood gunned down nine Black churchgoers.

It was that topic that led WBAP radio talk show host, Chris Krok, in Dallas, Texas to have a discussion on his program Thursday evening.

Krok described the Christians at the AME Church in South Carolina as acting like Christ by welcoming in the man who would later kill them.

Chris Krok then took a call from a McKinney pastor who said that he had just returned from a city wide pastor’s meeting planned as a result of the pool party incident days earlier.

The Pastor, who said his first name was Charlie, told Krok that last week over 100 clergy members met with the chief of police to dialogue about the incident. He said they laid their hands on him and prayed for him.

“Last week when all this broke loose and the protests hit our city, one hundred of us clergymen gathered with the Mayor and the Chief of Police behind closed doors and no reporters. It was a two and a half – two hour meeting and it culminated in all the clergy laying hands on the pastor [ he meant mayor] and the Chief of Police praying over them. From that, we have begun a dialogue to deal with issues in our city,” the pastor said.

He also commended the Black pastors on how they “tapped down” violence as groups like the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam went to McKinney to protest.

And, I want to commend the African American pastors of McKinney who really did their best to tamp down the hatred side of the protest when the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers came into our city.

“These guys worked through their influence to keep them from becoming violent. And, this is the story that the media is not reporting. It’s the reason that this thing ended so smoothly was because of the influence if the spiritual leadership of our city.

He then told Krok about the meeting that took place this evening.

Six African American pastors all made the same statement. They said that racism is a demonic attack against the Body of Christ to divide the Church.”

“They said that this attack in South Carolina was demonic. That this was one of the things that the enemy is using to destroy the Body of Christ.

“One Black pastor said this: that – that man [Roof] has a soul. And, we need to pray for his salvation.”

The Pastor, who is White said that he was amazed at what the Black pastors said and he was not shocked by their love, for the alleged White racist shooter, saying, “This man needs to be saved, this is a spiritual issue,” he said.

He also said one of the points the Black pastors made was that, “This is not a skin problem – this is a sin problem.”

And, that’s the point that the clergy’s bringing up. And because it doesn’t fit the political narrative – there’s no coverage over this,” the pastor commented.

“I really think that if we would lay down denominational lines and political lines and if clergy would come together because clergy still has strong influence across communities, if they would come together and say we’re here for a solution that it goes beyond politics and goes beyond skin and race. We’re here as a Body of Christ. I believe that we could begin to see some better things happen across our communities,” he concluded.

Listen to the full call here.

Pastor says he loves abortion biz Planned Parenthood calls them “resurrection workers” and “a ministry”

Posted in Abortion Sacred, Cecile Richards, Church and Ploanned Parenthood, Church pro-abortion, Planned Parenthood Clergy with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on April 24, 2015 by saynsumthn

The president of the largest chain of abortion clinics in the United States is thanking “Faith Leaders” for standing with them.

In a tweet by Planned Parenthood president, Cecile Richards, recently released she states, “So grateful to the many faith leaders who stand with Planned Parenthood and our patients. http://ppact.io/1IIU4QF Thank you, @awkukla!”

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@awkukla is Andrew Kukla, who describes himself as a , “Presby minister, love philosophy and Kierkegaard in particular, dad of four young kids, and I live in Boise, ID,” on his twitter page.

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The link takes you to a post written by the Presbyterian pastor which calls what Planned Parenthood does “a ministry“.

He titled the blog post, “I (heart) Planned Parenthood

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Hard to believe? Read for yourself:

    “I heart Planned Parenthood. I love these people who do not care what others will label them or say about them or even say to them. They care too much about people and too much about life to let hate and ignorance hold them back. As a Christian I am called to grace, forgiveness, mercy… and building up of those who life has torn down. And from all I learned today, some of the greatest practitioners of that are the people working at Planned Parenthood. So I say it proudly: I love Planned Parenthood. I love the people that are Planned Parenthood. I love their ministry”.

Planned Parenthood has proudly posted about this this Pastor on a blog they entitled, “Pastor loves Planned Parenthood.”

Pastor loves Planned Parenthood

The blog makes it clear that the Rev. Andrew Kukla loves the killer of unborn children and some women like 24 year-old Tonya Reaves who was left to bleed for 5 hours after her abortion.

And, why does the delusional Rev. Kukla “love” Planned Parenthood?

For “fighting for life.”

REALLY?

    What I love is the dedicated staff of people who are doing the ministry of caring for people. Fighting for people. Fighting for life,” he writes.

He then calls Planned Parenthood “resurrection workers.”

GAG!

    “I walked out of a meeting this morning at a Planned Parenthood office/clinic and saw a lone protestor holding a sign that said, “They kill babies here.” I have a lot of thoughts about that sign but I will restrain myself. Here is what I thought that is most relevant: This is resurrection work. No, not the sign carrier. The people I love at Planned Parenthood. They are resurrection workers.”

Rev. Andrew Kukla is the pastor of First Presbyterian Church Boise, Idaho.

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Despite that the Word of God is full of scriptures against the killing of the innocent, this Pastor supports Planned Parenthood. Even more ironic, is that one of his recent blog posts was entitled, ““Cherry Picking” Scripture.”

This man will have to answer to God for what he is doing.

In the words of our Lord Jesus Christ from Matthew 18, “If anyone causes one of these little ones–those who believe in me–to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.”

Unfortunately, this heretic pastor and church is not alone.

I recently blogged about a Presbyterian Church in Louisiana which opened their doors to Planned Parenthood for support- read that post here.

In addition, I also exposed the Planned Parenthood clergy letters encouraging abortion – shameful. Read that here.

Planned Parenthood quotes religious leaders to promote “reproductive rights” code for abortion

Posted in Abortion Religion - see RCRC, Abortion Sacred, Planned Parenthood Clergy, Religious Coalition of Reproductive Choice with tags , , , , , , , , on October 21, 2014 by saynsumthn

We all know by now that Planned Parenthood uses God to sell abortion.
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In fact, this blog broke the news that the abortion giant had published a Clergy / Pastoral Letter to convince women in a crisis pregnancy that there is nothing in the scriptures that says abortion is wrong and that many clergy think abortion is okay.

A second letter published by Planned Parenthood and exposed by this blog tells women that, “abortion is a morally permissible choice for a woman facing a problem pregnancy…and that the decision to have an abortion will not threaten your relationship with God.”

Now, we discover that Planned Parenthood has used religion to promote “reproductive rights” code for abortion, in a newsletter they published last year.

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In the 2013 Fall edition of ,The Source, a newsletter published by Planned Parenthood of the Heartland, they interview supporters from diverse spiritual points of view.

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They begin with Planned Parenthood Board Member, Lee Lee Doyle, PhD, who says she considered becoming a nun but changed her mind just before being confirmed. She then suggests that her interest in being a nun is what led her to commit to promoting abortion – uhhhh – correction “reproductive rights”, “Faith can serve as a vehicle to bring people together,” she writes, “as well as one to drive us apart, and the role it plays in discussions about reproductive rights is no different. In my early twenties I was preparing to dedicate my life to Christ as a nun. However, the day before I was set to take my first vows, I realized that this was not my calling, and that I was there for the wrong reasons. I liked the life and work of the nuns – the commitment to serving the poor, caring for people, and living a simple, just life – but not the spiritual aspect. Yet, some of the very convictions that had attracted me to the order were the same ones that would eventually lead me to my life’s work conducting contraceptive and reproductive health-focused research, and spark my passion for advocating for sexual justice and reproductive rights…For me, my support of Planned Parenthood’s mission comes as part of my theology, not in spite of it.”

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Rabbi Eugene Levy, co-founder of the Arkansas Interfaith Alliance makes it clear that he supports the nation’s top abortion provider, “The goal for Jews is to bring God’s heavenly kingdom to earth. It’s all about making the world a better place. Being ‘pro-life,’ then, is about making life good between birth and death so the question is,what are we going to do to make life better…There are many religious voices out there who like Planned Parenthood and the work it does, and I am one of them. I’ve always liked this organization, and I want to be a voice for a religion that supports Planned Parenthood.

The number one provider of abortions goes on to quote the Rabbi that life begins at birth, “Consider that the term “life” means from the moment of birth to the moment of death, and be sure you do everything possible to make life as good as it can be for everyone in your community.”

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Rev. Debra McKnight, associate pastor of First United Methodist Church in Omaha whose picture made the cover of this heretical issue calls compassion godly but goes on to advocate for legalized abortion on demand, “God is a life-giving presence, which means we can and should care for each other with compassion. Faith isn’t just an hour on Sunday morning, but in your everyday life… I believe that being absolutely pro-birth isn’t always the most life-giving choice. The church needs to be there to support people, not moralize about those choices. We hope for a world where abortion doesn’t have to happen, but we acknowledge that an absolute ban is not necessarily the most life-affirming stance, either, because it doesn’t take into account the circumstances of the woman and her family.”

The Methodist minister goes on to imply that abortion is sacred, “People of faith can take courage from the prophets of ancient stories and speak up. They can let the world and our leaders know that reproductive rights are sacred and women’s health means healthy families, workplaces and communities,” Rev. McKnight states.

Just want to point out that not one verse of scripture or Biblical reference or reference from the Torah was used by Planned Parenthood’s religious supporters.

More Clergy Letters from abortion giant Planned Parenthood emerge

Posted in Clergy for Choice, Planned Parenthood Clergy with tags , , , , , on July 6, 2014 by saynsumthn

This blog broke the news that Planned Parenthood, the nation’s top abortion provider had published a Pastoral Letter to Patients. The outrage of the community to this heretical letter was so great that the abortion giant pulled it off the internet.

Now I have discovered a 2nd letter called “Pastoral Letter About Your Abortion Decision”.

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The letter features Planned Parenthood’s RELIGIOUS AFFAIRS COMMITTEE

Reverend Debbie Pitney, Reverend Steve Carlson, Reverend Ken Henry, Reverend Ben Dake, Reverend Melanie Oommen, Reverend Gregory Flint, Reverend Danna Drum Hastings, Reverend Dan Bryant, Reverend Zane Wilson, Reverend Jonathan Weldon, Reverend Jan Fairchild, Reverend Bruce Cameron, and Rabbi Yitzhak Husbands-Hankins.

The letter reads:

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Dear Friend,
If you are reading this letter you are probably pregnant or close to someone who is. The people who have signed this letter below come from a variety of religious communities. Our purpose in writing this letter is to support you in whatever course you choose. The presence of the “religious right” has been very strong in its refusal to accept abortion as one of the choices before a woman. We represent religious traditions which all have different opinions about abortion, but we do have some basic understandings that we would like to share with you.

We believe, as religious leaders in our faith communities, that abortion is a morally permissible choice for a woman facing a problem pregnancy. No one thinks abortion is an easy choice. If we lived in a perfect world there might be no problem pregnancies and therefore no difficult choices about abortion. We realize that there are many things that can make a pregnancy difficult. Abortion is chosen for medical, physical, emotional, economic and relational reasons. It is a choice made by women, often in consultation with partners, families and friends. We support you and your ability to choose what is best for you.

We believe, as religious leaders in our faith communities, that ultimately no one can make the choice for or against abortion except the woman herself. No one knows your life as you do. We trust that any decision you make will be made after serious thought and contemplation of the alternatives. You will make the best decision you can. We do not believe that it is appropriate for other persons or other faiths to judge you or the correctness of your decision. God gave us all the ability to think and pray and feel and choose. We are called to make the best decisions we can in our personal circumstances. If you have thoughtfully decided to have an abortion then you should be at peace with your decision.

We believe, as religious leaders in our faith communities, that the decision to have an abortion will not threaten your relationship with God. We believe that God is a participant in the struggles of human life. We believe that God is compassionate and does not expect any of us to lead perfect lives. We believe the biblical record shows us a God who loves human beings regardless of our strengths, skills and aptitudes, and loves us equally despite our failings, mistakes and choices. God is not angry with you and will not punish you for any choice you have or might make. In fact, we believe that God loves you and will be with you helping you find strength and understanding and comfort for living through days of doubt and distress.

We believe, as religious leaders in our faith communities, that your life needs to go on from here, and that you are deserving of support and assistance. We know that the decision to have an abortion is a difficult one. You may wonder from time to time if you made the right choice. You may be sorrowful, doubtful or depressed because of your choice. These are natural emotions. Experiencing this does not mean your decision was a bad one. It may mean that you are a sensitive person. Nevertheless these feelings may also mean that you could benefit from talking with someone about your decision. It is important for you to find peace. If you have bad moments, we encourage you to seek support from professionals. If you think that it would be helpful for you to talk to a minister, Planned Parenthood keeps a list of clergy who would be supportive of you and the decision you have made. They will see you for no charge and not pressure you to become part of their congregations. We want you to have a peaceful road ahead.
God Bless you!

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Putting the minds of women to rest will no dounbt bring in more money to the coffers of the blood suckers at Planned Parenthood – using God to do this is beyond disgusting.

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But….child killing with abortion is not the only sin that these heretical clergy approve of.

In another letter, called A PASTORAL LETTER A B O U T H E A L T H Y S E X U A L I T Y

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The letter appears to advocate for sexual promiscuity outside the Biblical boundaries of marriage,

Though marriage is a high and holy calling in our traditions, we affirm that unmarried persons are also sexual persons. We rejoice in our capacity to make sexual choices based on conscience and compassion, reason and responsibility,” the letter reads.

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 “The opportunity to bear children is a precious and sacred gift, yet the decision not to reproduce also has deep religious roots. A woman’s right to follow her own conscience concerning birth control and child-bearing, and a man’s obligation to protect her right, are part of what we mean by living lives which are holy.

 “Our wider obligation as religious persons may require limiting births. The well-being of the children we already have and justice in the world may mean that birth control is religious virtue.

 “Finally, the biblical affirmation that we are all created in the “image of God” means that we can accept no double standard. All have the God-given right to lead sexual lives that express love, equality, honesty, commitment, consent, and pleasure,” the alleged Planned Parenthood clergy write.

The best “Choice” Planned Parenthood has ever made removing Pastoral Letter to Patients

Posted in Planned Parenthood Clergy with tags , , , , , , on June 9, 2014 by saynsumthn

Saynsumthn was the first news blog to report how Planned Parenthood was using God to sell abortions with a letter from “Clergy”!

But now it has been removed off the Planned Parenthood website. There still is a cached version available to view here!

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In the Pastoral Letter to Patients, Planned Parenthood tells women and girls in a crisis pregnancy that there is nothing in the scriptures that says abortion is wrong and that many clergy think abortion is okay:

The decision to have an abortion is personal. Though your reasons may be complicated and private, you’re not alone. As religious leaders from a number of religious traditions, we’re here to
support you in your decision.

Many people wrongly assume that all religious leaders disapprove of abortion. The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures—Jewish or Christian—and there are clergy and people of faith from all denominations who support women making this complex decision.

The beliefs of each person are deserving of respect, and each person deserves care and compassion,
No one should be allowed to force their faith teachings on anyone else.

We believe this decision is yours, made with your doctor and anyone else you choose to bring into the conversation, such as a spouse, partner, parent, or clergy person.”

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The letter goes on to tell the FUTURE PAYING ABORTION CUSTOMER that, “God loves you and is with you no matter what you decide. You can find strength, understanding, and comfort in that love.”

_After news outlets read this blog and began to talk about it- the abortion giant decided to remove the letter from its site:

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The best “Choice” Planed Parenthood has ever made !

In response, the group Alliance Defending Freedom has offered to purchase Bibles for every Planned Parenthood locations.

In their Open Letter to Cecile Richards, the pro-life group writes, It appears that this letter is no longer available on your website, but an archived version can be found here for your reference (page 3). While I disagree with Planned Parenthood’s exegesis of Scripture, I am not writing to debate that point. Instead, I write to express my agreement with Planned Parenthood, reflected in the publication of this pastoral letter, that for many women their religious beliefs will be very relevant to their decision about whether to have an abortion.

On that common ground, on behalf of Alliance Defending Freedom, I would like to offer Planned Parenthood one free copy of the Bible for every Planned Parenthood facility in the country.

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Planned Parenthood on abortion: “God loves you no matter what you decide”

Posted in Planned Parenthood Clergy, Religious Coalition of Reproductive Choice with tags , , , , on May 23, 2014 by saynsumthn

Child killing abortion giant Planned Parenthood is using God to target paying customers for abortion.

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In a Pastoral Letter to Patients, Planned Parenthood tells women and girls in a crisis pregnancy that there is nothing in the scriptures that says abortion is wrong and that many clergy think abortion is okay:

The decision to have an abortion is personal. Though your reasons may be complicated and private, you’re not alone. As religious leaders from a number of religious traditions, we’re here to
support you in your decision.

Many people wrongly assume that all religious leaders disapprove of abortion. The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures—Jewish or Christian—and there are clergy and people of faith from all denominations who support women making this complex decision.

The beliefs of each person are deserving of respect, and each person deserves care and compassion,
No one should be allowed to force their faith teachings on anyone else.

We believe this decision is yours, made with your doctor and anyone else you choose to bring into the conversation, such as a spouse, partner, parent, or clergy person.”

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The letter goes on to tell the FUTURE PAYING ABORTION CUSTOMER that, “God loves you and is with you no matter what you decide. You can find strength, understanding, and comfort in that love.”

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Jeremiah 1:5 ESV

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Exodus 20:13 ESV

“You shall not murder.

Exodus 23:7 ESV

Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked.

Psalm 139:13-16 ESV
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

Psalm 127:3 ESV

Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.

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